What’s the point of putting smurfs against eachother? Why not just make it so that a diamond player smurfing on a gold account just gets placed against diamonds, instead of having a 8 minute long queue to find other diamonds that are smurfing in gold?
Why not just make it so that a diamond player smurfing on a gold account just gets placed against diamonds
This is what we're going back to, yes.
Now just remove losers queue and the game could be decent
There is no loser's queue/winner's queue
Will just mention that "Smurf Queue" was not the goal of these changes, it was to increase perception of match quality, for example folks would ask "Why is this Silver in my Gold game?
I'm a little confused. The goal of the these changes (as in the article posted) is to increase perception of match quality? Won't the "why is silver in my gold game" still be an issue with these changes. Since if the silver player has gold mmr they'll be in gold games? Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant just wanted some clarification, thanks for answering our questions.
EDIT: were you saying that the previous changes to factor visible rank was to increase match perception, and these 2023 changes are you guys making the call that perceived match quality isn't worth it? If so then I understand what you mean now
The change to increase perception of match quality is the one we're reverting, so you're right. We think that's a better state than really long queues and a poor experience for new/returning players.
Will both of the splits have a similar hard reset like at beginning of season? Or will the midseason one be softer?
Probably softer. We'll be monitoring how far folks climb in Split 1 and basing the reset strength off of that, since this is something new for us.
Rejoice! Thanks for the reply.
Can you add any context on the decision at this time?
Check out this linked comment
IT FINALLY HAPPENED
2 options
- Visible rank no longer matters for who you get matched with, so plat3 with dia3 mmr will be in full dia3 lobby
- Removing the visible rank in loading screen, which literally doesn't do anything.
It's basically option 1 there. Option 2 isn't planned (it was accidentally in this patch I think, that was a bug that's fixed for next patch).
Wouldn't that also mean Smurf Queue is removed?
MarkYetter:
"We’re testing in some select regions a Matchmaking upgrade that takes into account players current rank along with the MMR.
This has many benefits including grouping smurfs as some of you have already caught on to."
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1306258477745016832
Yes basically.
What they mean by this is that currently, the people you are put in matches with is based on your current rank and your current MMR.
Before sometime around August, both were very important. If you were Silver with platinum mmr, you would be placed with other silver players with platinum mmr. This is also known as smurf queue.
After august, they made ranked so that it cared less about your rank, and more about your mmr. Now smurf queue games still exist, but they are less common. If you're in silver with platinum mmr, you can just get thrown into regular platinum games. Or into smurf queue platinum games, it depends on the players in the queue.
Now, according to this post, it doesn't care about your rank at all. I think that the translation of this is that they're removing smurf queue
^ This take is close. Will just mention that "Smurf Queue" was not the goal of these changes, it was to increase perception of match quality, for example folks would ask "Why is this Silver in my Gold game?". They were in your game because they have similar MMR to yours, which could be for any number of reasons:
However, if we're effectively filtering this population out of your games, they're getting into their own games of returning players/new players/smurfs, with long queue times and a pretty terrible experience. We're making the call that trading off the returning/new player experience for perception of match quality isn't worth it.
two months of the year are already void due to preseason. a lot of people don't count the first month of the season for peaks and such because the ladder is a mess and hasn't stabilized. some people extend this even further to "early season climb xd" and such.
now we're adding an extra void month after the second reset? I think higher elos should not be reset. they say they want us to always have a goal to chase, and for all the plateaued gold 4s, sure, that comes in the form of rewards. but high elo players tend to care less about borders. we just want to grind a competitive ladder.
No plans to add an extra void month. There should only be a day or two of ranked downtime between the splits.
u/Auberaun since the article is quoting you, how much of this is true?
I wrote the first half of the article it's quoting, so can confirm it is true :)
On a different note, I received the skin but I didn't receive the champ shard. Even though I own Sejuani but I would have thought I would have gotten a permanent champ shard in my inventory.
Edit: I also didn't receive the Series 1 Eternals for Sejuani (Already owned). Again, would have liked to be able to disenchant it.
Rewards this year were direct grants, so that's expected. Agree it's awkward compared to other reward grants which go through the loot system so will see what we can change for next year.
Honor rewards are coming in 12.23
This Clash does use ARAM MMR. Someone else in the thread mentioned restarting your client/remaking your team for an update if it's showing incorrectly?
if u want ill post this every monday night <--
Thanks for posting this :)
Finally Muay Thai Lee Sin, I've been waiting for this one to go on sale for a while.
Greatest Lee skin ever imo
Read moreStill having the problem on old hardware. 70-110 FPS until 5 minutes or so, after which it starts floating from 25-50 FPS.
CPU - AMD A6-5400K 3.6 GHz, OC'd to 4.5 GHz - Also happens with my AMD Athlon x4 750k in the same system, though I'm not currently using that CPU.
GPU - Nvidia GT 710 2gb
GPU Driver Version - 27.21.14.5671
Reproduction rate - Every single game for a couple months now
Zero Overlays, DX9 Legacy mode doesn't make a difference, CPU usage doesn't change noticeably during the frame drop time, and the GPU is never fully utilized.
I honestly assumed it was just my potato PC, considering my dated parts... But it runs great for the first few minutes, and I saw this post, so thought I might as well chime in and see about finding an improvement. I tried using the other (the better x4 750k) CPU for a bit to see if that made a difference since my CPU is...
It could just be your potato PC. The more that happens in game, the slower it gets. If you can send me an RPD file I can have a look and see what’s going on.
Thanks for the insight
np
Maybe there’s a middle ground or a mini-game here waiting to happen. I played AP Voli top for fun to try and hit my Nashor-Riftmaker 1v5 split push fantasy, but found the actual fun was in leading enemies into an E-R burst where I’d try to swing that shield+damage lead into a full passive stack engage.
I’d give up all of the raw burst damage if landing E+R was a secret sauce to full passive stacks— I’d still feel amazing for getting that combo down and feel even better knowing that trying to raw R, which already feels kinda meh, isnt the optimal use case.
I am also a pretty big AP Voli fan - enough of a fan to play it for ~75 games straight at one point and have a silly montage made of some plays.
Lutzberg (the designer on the Voli rework) did explore a lot of different ways to scale AP Voli and different avenues to let AP provide power, and the one part of those that ended up shipping was the AP ratio on the passive AS. However, from my recollections of conversations back then (which may not be perfect) as well as my own thoughts here, anything that "cheats" P stacks to max or even grants easier access to max stacks comes at a cost to the power of P, particularly for AP builds. There are very few spells that scale multiplicatively with a single stat, but Voli P scales both the damage and AS with AP, and since AS sc...
Read moreThis was something Voli had in early testing. It's been a while so I may not be remembering everything perfectly, but I believe what we found back then was that letting R stack P meant that the max-stack P payout had to be lower than we wanted and R's damage also had to be meaningfully lower, so we made the choice to unbind P max stack payout from R even though it was a cool fantasy win to grant full stacks on R.
I don't work on PC League anymore so I couldn't tell you the current thinking there but I suspect the same concerns would probably exist for this mechanic today. The bigger concern is around the P max payout, where it should be a really powerful and satisfying moment, and if you can "cheat" your way there instantly with R then there's much less gating on it and necessarily it can't carry as much power or satisfaction.
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