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I'll certainly raise it while we're discussing the disable level cap, so your perspective is taken into account.

Potentially we could do something more extreme and replace blocking and rerolling with freely choosing a different skill, perhaps with challenge tokens (which I appreciate are no help to you since claiming the reward for the skipped challenge would give you undesired XP).

Another option is that combat challenges currently are rewarded in the form of an XP lamp, so we could potentially do the same for Summoning and Prayer challenges.

In the meantime (since none of that will help you on Monday), rerolling to work around undesired skills you can't block is significantly cheaper (only 10 vis wax) and unlimited.

Not sure if you've been involved in the massive community discussions in this thread ...

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That's very kind of you to say, thank you - I'm blushing!

Serious question, though; given you know where my talents lie, what projects would you rather I was doing?

Thanks so much for getting involved in the discussion so far. It's really helpful to us!

Mod Daze and I are already discussing additions we'd like to make from your feedback, and the update isn't even live yet!

For example, a great idea we've seen is to add vis wax to the weekly reward chests - that way if you're self-sufficient, there's a limited source of additional vis wax to feed back into your optimisation of daily challenges.

There's a lot of levers we can pull:

• further reducing vis wax cost to suit supply (though focusing 3 extended challenges daily on a single skill awards obscenely more XP than before, even reducing down to large lamps, so wanted it to have some throttling/sacrifice out of the gate)

• adjusting the reroll & disabling mechanics to be more player-friendly

• moving toward more of an internal currency (eg extending with challenge tokens rather than vis wax)

etc

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That's lovely to hear! Would love to know how your friends get on and how we could improve their interaction with challenges. Fresh eyes give us so much helpful feedback.

There's a whole new onboarding to basic challenges with this update, which also gives a broader introduction to core non-combat skills to complement Turael's combat path. Excited to hear how it plays out for them!

If they don't feel worth doing, that seems like a good reason to fix them?

Very well summarised, thank you! :)

Currently there've been no mechanical changes to rerolls, other than reducing vis wax cost and removing the limit of one reroll per slot per day.

Personally not a fan of the spend-and-hope nature of rerolls (the more challenges we add, the less likely you'll get the challenge you want).

But we'll see how the feedback plays out as you engage with the latest changes, and respond accordingly. :)

Toggling maxed skills is still there and we didn't make any changes there (ultimately we'd like to either bring toggling into the Challenges interface or give you more freedom of choice if you're focusing on certain skills, but had to be reasonable about how much we changed at once).

Since you have 3 skills left to max, you're in a really good place as you've disabled all other maxed skills, so won't have to reroll.

If you want to be crazy efficient (and burn money/wax), you could extend all 3 for 90 vis wax a day. 3 x large lamp x 2

Plus you'll unlock the weekly rewards in half the time, if that's your jam. (Might work well for you if you have other commitments and can only play certain days of the week.)

Making all challenges toggleable at 99 even if the skill goes to 120 is a reasonable change. Mod Daze just proposed the same thing to us!

We've added it to our list to investigate on Monday. :)

Ultimately we'd like to do more with the rerolling/toggling mechanic to be more player-friendly and work better with Monday's additions, but were cautious of changing too much of the core mechanics at once.

Incidentally, agree with you about the max guild. I didn't walk in until I'd 120ed all the 120 skills, as I assumed I'd have to unlock every skill's level rewards to be maxed (only needing 99 Dungeoneering when it has level unlocks all the way to 120 surprised me).

My palm. My face. So much.

Please submit an ingame bug report for it, if you haven't already, detailing how you would like it to be changed.

Thank you very much for confirming! :D

I swear I remember removing it (and writing that patch note). Was part of several fixes I did to While Guthix Sleeps...years ago, when I did a pass of the quest in TAPP.

Is this definitely still a thing? Have you encountered it during WGS recently?

Edit: Yep, it appears to be in the quest's Update History on the wiki: https://runescape.wiki/w/While_Guthix_Sleeps ...

Yep, there's separate procedures for givexp with modifiers and direct givexp with no modifiers. So we can have different conditions for both. :)

(Will have to be efficient about how much extra logic I add, as it's one of our most often run scripts, but that's a me problem.)

Thanks so much for administrating the conversation, and sharing your progress so far.

This is exactly the kind of inclusive and thoughtful ambassadorship I was hoping for. Yay for delegation! :D

I appreciate all your time and effort to discuss this issue and summarise the results. <3

Thank you for your proactivity and the invite! I may refer to the conversation there in future for context, but realistically I don't need to give myself more distractions from the dev work I should be doing. ;)

I'm confident your collaboration will yield insightful results!

Thanks so much for stepping up and doing that!

Sharing those discussion results when you're satisfied they're representative sounds like a great start!

Taking time to decide on the preferred approach is no problem! "Measure twice, cut once". I'll always have other work to do. ;)

Inevitably won't be able to please everybody (even by changing nothing), but hopefully we can getting a broader read of what change'll be acceptable and do more good than harm.

We've had a lot of good discussion in this thread (although let's remember to be excellent to each other, even if we disagree) but it's difficult to gauge how representative individual comments are of the pure community as a whole.

Thanks for getting involved again!

Apologies that the further conversation here went under the radar - this thread is buried pretty deep in Reddit now, but so much feedback was centralized here already, I thought it best to continue so anybody new who comes along can get the full context. Quite a few additional topics were raised here!

For what it's worth, I don't need comprehensive documentation to convince me which approach is best.

I trust you all to have those conversations and iron out the details. (Though the context doesn't hurt.)

What matters is the approach that's decided upon between you has the greatest positive benefit to pures, factoring your huge variety of needs and focus.

Thank you reaching out into your communities and helping to ensure as many pures have their say as possible.

I look forward to hearing the results! And no rush, I've got plenty of other work to keep me busy. I'd far prefer we make the right changes t...

Rest assured, I noticed that a lot of the information in that document echoed similar statements Luigi repeated in his thread.

I took his statement that opinions had been gathered from a wide variety of the pure community, and that all points of view had been considered, in good faith, though I have no way to authenticate that.

And though there was clear bias, he did show an effort to consider different points of view, and gather perspectives beyond his own, and I appreciate the time taken to do so, in the interests of moving forward.

Ultimately, it comes down to this...

I'm willing to do the implementation, but I need the pure community to come to a consensus as to what action they want to be taken - and if that's nothing, so be it.

I'm not able to spare the time to administrate that vetting process, so I need you all to work together to decide on the best course of action for the long term health of pure gameplay.

Set up a fair pol...

Can't comment on the Ful front, I'm afraid. I'll leave that in the capable hands of the team that worked on it. :)

Just to manage expectations, also currently working on another project with a November deadline, so gotta make that my first priority 'til it ships. And I've gotta run our requests past a few people before I'd be able to work on what we've discussed.

When I get a moment (am also currently moving house, so it's an interesting time), I'll post a summary in this thread of the course of action we've (seemingly) decided upon here for the various different pure community requests scattered across these comments (individual XP blocks, 6 month cooldown between Nastroth resets, etc), just to be sure we're all on the same page.

Then I'll run the proposal past the combat and skilling councils, negotiate with my producer for some time to scope the work for the first request, see how open they are to allocating time for it, the priority level in my team's ba...

Let me know if this is a deal-breaker, but in terms of how the code is currently structured, all I'm planning to do is to skip over the line of code that gives you XP in a skill, if you have toggled off XP in that skill.

Side effects like getting skilling pets, achievements, strange/golden rocks, logs, broadcasts, event currencies, levelling up Invention devices, etc, occur in separate events triggered in parallel with givexp, and would not be affected.