Eco

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02 May

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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
The command for that is /clearstomach as of 9.0, but it might only be available for developer tier users.
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Originally posted by M0nzUn

Oh, so players can't even search by exhaustion time? :<

I've had it in the title before and I guess that helps in the meantime

No, they can't, it's pretty bad. I had created a task for that a while ago, but somehow it didn't make it to 9.5. :/


29 Apr

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Originally posted by M0nzUn

Interesting! We're really happy for it from an exhaustion view anyway :)

I think server hosts are likely to be in the demographic that doesn't want to use exhaustion themselves.

We get people on our server that come looking specifically for exhaustion servers.

I've considered turning it off myself though as it's just not mature enough to really use. So that may be another reason for the low adoption rate.

The biggest issue is that there is no filter and for some reason it didn't make it into 9.5 either ...

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Originally posted by SoopahCoopah

We want factorio online 😡😤🤑

Wrong game, sorry.

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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
There is a known issue that prevents editing laws currently, instead they get replaced by the old version after passing, it is scheduled for hotfixing.
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Originally posted by M0nzUn

Pretty sure this was done so that exhausted players can't keep working.

No, it actually wasn't, it's goal is to support the economic balance in late game. It does have that side-effect, but the exhaustion feature is actually being scheduled for a makeover in upcoming updates to fix most of the problematic 'workarounds' and to probably try a bit into the direction some suggestions of players were, e.g. doing the limit in a different way, similar to what our stamina system might look like in the future.

The exhaustion feature is actually only used by very few servers as well, even though the interest of players in it was pretty high. It seems server admins do not agree.

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Originally posted by SickWittedEntity

I don't think i've said mining by hand might be more calorie efficient that might have been someone else, I wasn't too concerned about the calorie usage I think ultimately it's necessary in some form to balance the mid-late game food economy. I'd actually be one of the strange players who would love more actions to be even more calorie consuming to promote farming professions and slow down progress without a good agricultural infrastructure(?) to support it so i'm all for calorie costs.

I've mentioned that it might be a good idea to have food gradually give back calories while it's in the player's stomach (with a max stomach size) - quickly enough so players can still mine and perform manual labor while they are 'digesting' the food but will need to take a break to restore some calories if they want to make a large crafting order queue. To in-turn promote the labor market and give high collaboration players some downtime to talk, trade, participate in community events and g...

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Yes, sorry, I confused you with u/SoopahCoopah there, that is my fault.

Your calorie idea sounds like different approach to our in-development stamina / exhaustion (not to be confused with the server exhaustion feature) feature that is doing a very similar thing. There the problem is much more though that there is and will be massive resistance from our more 'invested' players against this feature set as the last thing they want to do is being forced to put their mining equipment out of their hands for even a single minute to do something else. I can sense a bit of a possible "Cart Controls debacle" there, so it's a feature we take especially long time and will do several extensive playtests on before we even consider presenting more details or releasing it to the public.

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Originally posted by SLG-Dennis

I don't really see how it doesn't make much sense. Operating heavy machinery is a very hard job consuming lots of calories compared to an office job. But even if you believed that isn't the case, Eco has a lot of things it does for sole balance reasons, less for sense. (The way we 'wear and tear' barrels or in 9.6 the much shorter spoil rate for basic foods for the very same balance reasons are just some examples - at some point we need to abstract, typically players tend to point on the very fact stuff shouldn't always make sense as well)

It goes without saying that implementing a system like you suggested is a whole new feature that will take months to be correctly implemented, functioning, balanced and tested, while smaller changes are much more effective in that regard without introducing unecessary complexity, especially when we already have other plans for that:

In regards to storage, as I have mentioned a few times, the whole option to transfer things via UIs...

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Let's spin that further:

In such case we also shouldn't have talents like allowing players to pick up all rubble in an area for a cheap single click. We still have it, because it is convenient and we like the collaboration aspect when two people collaborate. We're currently finishing up the talent rework that will provide unique talents for all our professions and we do have several other convenience things, but also a lot 'realistic' things.

I also saw you mentioned elsewhere that just mining by hand may be more calorie-efficient. I did not do the math myself and hence need to trust the work the balance team did, but they state that is not the case. Even if it was, the way to address that would be to make the manual labour less overpowered in comparison to machines that are supposed to feel like giving you the option to quickly and efficiently do things - they're not mainly intended to save calories. We actually do have changes coming adressing the fast levelling f...

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Originally posted by SickWittedEntity

I don't mind the balancing perspective, the issue is that it doesn't make much sense. Perhaps calories should be consumed to transfer items between inventories with the exception of moving items into the player's inventory. This should scale with machines as players are dealing with moving much larger quantities of items from the machines? - the distance between the stockpiles could effect calorie cost. This would also double as a deterrent for stockpile stacking mines, and encourage players to build elevators instead - which is a lot more fun to load up trucks to haul between stockpiles instead and is way more immersive.

And if you wanted to introduce a transfer speed to items like in rust for example and you don't want players to have to stand around and wait as items move between stockpiles it could just be a calorie-queue system like how crafting works, the initial cost of calories to move x amount of items is spent and the items continue to move between inventories if ...

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I don't really see how it doesn't make much sense. Operating heavy machinery is a very hard job consuming lots of calories compared to an office job. But even if you believed that isn't the case, Eco has a lot of things it does for sole balance reasons, less for sense. (The way we 'wear and tear' barrels or in 9.6 the much shorter spoil rate for basic foods for the very same balance reasons are just some examples - at some point we need to abstract, typically players tend to point on the very fact stuff shouldn't always make sense as well)

It goes without saying that implementing a system like you suggested is a whole new feature that will take months to be correctly implemented, functioning, balanced and tested, while smaller changes are much more effective in that regard without introducing unecessary complexity, especially when we already have other plans for that:

In regards to storage, as I have mentioned a few times, the whole option to transfer things via UIs...

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Originally posted by SoopahCoopah

Who knows maybe they’ll revert it like when they f**ked up our cart controls, or in the same update when they f**ked up our starter campsites.

We at least have no plans to do so, but the calorie use is pretty minimal. We plan to monitor it and adapt the amount of calories it takes if it turns out too little or too much.

It is a very helpful change, as those machines are the main reason for reduced calorie usage in the later game. And yes, we're aware of what someone else had already said on Steam, the current workings of late-game making people only eat cheap food, but that is not effecting the quantity of calories being used, just the quality.

Next to food spoiling for basic foods being very restrictive in Update 9.6 we also plan to implement changes further down the road to fix this food quality issue, but the mentioned change here was tested both on normal servers of varying sizes and the one with WT logic, where the problem doesn't exist as much, given players are required to keep their food score up to a specific level to be able to add labour to mid and late game professions.

The feedback tow...

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Originally posted by silverfang17

They should have made it so that the machines have durability like tools. And can be fixed like tools but with the use of spareparts of somekind.

No worries, that is already planned as well.

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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
Yes, assumed some local software being the cause. The release build still has development mode active, which was not intended, but actually helpful to investigate some issues people reported, so we decided to keep it active until the first hotfix.
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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
Originally posted by Rathelm:
Originally posted by SLG-Dennis: While Steam itself does not allow to set games to not automatically update (and that's nothing we can do, they would need to), we do offer older versions as branches, so you can simply lock your game (and revert) to an older version via the betas menu when right clicking Eco and choosing properties.

Aside of that, feel free to send us the logs of the issue you have to ...
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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
The only option is to change the interface scale value in the graphics settings, but that is not isolated for font size only, unfortunately.

28 Apr

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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
Looks like a typical connection problem to authservers, often caused by any network issues in between your client and our server, including security software and any other filtering stuff. I don't see how reinstalling can solve that, but I'm happy it did! :)
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Originally posted by DonaIdTrurnp

So with the perk headshot damage total dropped from 4x to 2.25x?

That is what has been intended, yes.

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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
No, auth systems are working fine.
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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
If you set both "Zen Mode" and "Use c key to hide chat" in the ESC settings you will have the behaviour you're used to from Update 9.4 and prior. Without Zen Mode active, the chat cannot be completely hidden.
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    SLG-Dennis on Steam Forums - Thread - Direct
All our translations are provided by the community, you can participiate here: https://crowdin.com/project/eco-by-strange-loop-games
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Originally posted by Warbeast0811

I'd like to point out that you let customers buy multiple copies of the game right from your own store.

For friends. They can only be gifted to other e-mails.
Using the licenses in a ToS and rule-abiding way is up to the user, not us.