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29 Jan

Originally posted by Speculatory

What about Evelynn? She's been hit really hard by the jungle changes and I honestly don't think these will be enough to let her hit 6 at a reasonable time again. Then again, I don't know the math off the top of my head for the new changes, but an efficient Eve clear on live hits at 8:10~ (used to be 6:00), and the meta favors early game junglers extra super hard. Any plans to at least revert her Q change from a few patches back?

shes sitting around 50% winrate almost exactly for most players, but bad for low elo. its possible she has room for a buff if we are looking to up low elo jungle diversity slightly.

we know its an ivern nerf. he sits around 53% winrate at high elo, so close to getting nerfed anyways, so we aren't going to do any compensation until after the dust settles

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Originally posted by Naminoo

Riot August said below that relic shield supports last hitting cannons counts as Senna killing them if the gold is shared with her.

This is correct.

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Originally posted by ridlehprime

So why does riot want senna to be a support so badly when clearly the pros and solo q players play her bot?

We want her to be both. Right now ADC Senna is OP, so we're nerfing it.

We're not nerfing her because she's being played ADC. We're nerfing her because she's OP.

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Originally posted by SlurpTurnsMeGreen

Soul drop on cannons senna kills 100% >>> 2%

Looks like a mid/late game nerf since early on the melee support will be taking the cannon. Prediction, more nerfs to her won't come as a surprise.

edit: more info below

If Senna's support takes a minion with relic shield (giving her the gold) it is treated as though she had killed it (lower soul drop rate).

Originally posted by OnlyAnEssenceThief

Azir - R soldier count (width) 5-7 >>> 6-8

It's only a matter of time until Azir has enough soldiers to divide the entire map; you heard it here first.

:U


28 Jan

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Originally posted by Caenen_

For a bit of information on this - Jhin's 'infinite ammo bug' was a thing for a long time already, likely since Jhin's launch. Riot tried to fix it in this patch or last one (and maybe some other stuff too while at it), undocumented, by forcing him to reload when he attacks while under effect of this.

But turns out, as long as he sucessfully rolls a crit, he still gets to shoot and keep the bug active.

And now since the 'fix', all of those shots are 4th shots (which they weren't before)!

And you can also manage to get other spells into the spell slot of his crit attack while under effect of this, such as E!

Ooops?

Big oops. Last patch I fixed a bug with Hail of Blades which caused Jhin to sometimes become unable to 4th shot at all. I fixed this by removing a seemingly superfluous check somewhere that reset that spell slot to his crit auto attack. That change exposed a separate issue that already existed—Jhin can be prevented from reloading sometimes, which places him into a state where he has zero ammo and whatever is placed in his spell slot becomes his crit basic attack until he reloads (defaults to his 4th shot, but can also be his Q or E). Before last patch, this would lead to perma 4th shot. Now, it leads to perma 4th shot or perma Q/E (whichever he cast last). This is now fixed for next patch by allowing Jhin's reload to be castable under all conditions.

And no, you can't get his ultimate to replace his basic attack, sadly.

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Originally posted by Ehac

Misplay yes, but there's no clearly correct decision here IMO

I disagree. they had vision of rakan well in advance. Bjerg was the player furthest up. You either ult and he doesn't rakan ult you. (In that case you still get to play the rest of the fight, just without R) or you buy your team time. Either way, using ult in a situation where you KNOW they can burst you is the better play.

I'd agree if Dardoch didn't also seem to be in imminent danger. But this is all hindsight, who knows what he was considering ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally posted by Walvrus

He took 40% dmg in 2.3 seconds and then he took 60% while charmed/knocked up.

This was NOT a huge missplay from bjergsen , it was a well played from Rakan , Bjergsen got cced from 60% where he was charmed and then knocked up>dead

Yeah mostly agree with this. He definitely had time to ult, but he would've been putting the ult on himself at 60%, which would be a bit early. If I were him I'd also be watching Dardoch (my almost dead jungler while we're trying to contest Infernal), making it understandable that he gets caught off guard. Misplay yes, but there's no clearly correct decision here IMO

Edit: Yeah if everything goes the same without the Rakan ult he'd have ample time to save himself, good play by CoreJJ

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Originally posted by RuneKatashima

Question that's somewhat related. How does your second and third paragraph relate to Riven? It's been colloquially understood that she is played largely by mains and that has also made her high winrate "okay".

Does data support this? Is it okay?

She's top 10 in the metric.

Interestingly, so are Nami and Sona.

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Originally posted by Kein_Narr

I'm looking for every source of data I can and honestly cannot find anything to suggest Swain is weak here. You'd have to cherry-pick to find anything sub-50.

And then you say in another post:

Third, let's circle back to Swain. This is where there's a deserved large asterisk: I don't have reliable data from the last six months. My Swain data is from before the most recent remaster.

Lol.

Just lol.

That's specifically the games-on-champion data. Win rates, as you could have read from literally the sentence above, are from 10.1 and 10.2

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Originally posted by Hobmot

Agreed. His great play at elder really made everyone forget about his lackluster play up until then.

This is a very reasonable criticism, he was playing very much "just ok" up until that play and the whole game was pretty flat honestly.

I think I didn't appreciate that some of these newer rosters, even with a lot of already established players, would take time to build up as a team.

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Nerfing funneling would be ideal. The specific Taric/Yi change I'd recommend if we were going to adjust them would be changing the interaction that makes Taric's E undodgeable if it fires while Yi is Qing a target.

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Originally posted by GLGMisclick

How a champion with a pickrate in solo lanes below 1% can be considered even a viable solo laner. Of course he can have high winrate in top and mid when the sample size in diamond+ is around below 200 and. Sorry, can't agree with that argument, unless internal riot data shows way higher sample size at higher mmr to prove that swain is actually not just support, and only being semi viable in solo lanes only in hands of die-hard fanbase.

Checked Riot internal data. Looked at both 10.1 and 10.2 separately. Also looked across every MMR band that's worth measuring.

Across all cross-sections he is 50%+ at every MMR bracket in Mid/Bot. (caveat: measuring GM+ is fraudulent because sample size is too low, so that bracket is unusable)

Swain winrate generally decreases slightly with MMR and still ends up above 50% in his two best roles (neither are Support) at every MMR for the last month, including D1+

I'm looking for every source of data I can and honestly cannot find anything to suggest Swain is weak here. You'd have to cherry-pick to find anything sub-50.

To be clear, if the sample size was too small, you'd see wild swings in winrate going patch-to-patch. That only happens in GM+. Everywhere else the deviation is pretty moderate. Even with patch-to-patch variance, they ALL clock in above 50%.

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Originally posted by DaPhoToss

He deserves a fair shot in LCS.

I'd agree, but I think he's still scaling up his overall experience as a pro.

As far as ceiling goes, when Spica is playing the way he wants to he's kind of an unreal player, so I'm excited to keep tabs on him throughout this Academy season!

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Originally posted by Dopp3lg4ng3r

ok it's time for you to start having actual reflexion abilities rather than repeating the storyboard KC told you to write down every single time.

He wins 53% of his games with only mains playing him. ONLY MAINS.

Other champions do not have that exact same problem because most of the strong picks in midlane get to have good overall winrate and excessively good winrates on MAINS.

This tasteless and short-minded logic is literally plaguing this game for several seasons and you guys are actually insanely oblivious if you in your right mind, think he's sensibly equal to assassins/syndra/diana and all actual powerpicks in midlane

Hey, so I was interested in your claim about only mains playing him and while this data isn't perfect, let's get into it:

First off, no one's telling me what to write. I'm interested in performance data in general and I had some free time, so I'm talking about what I've got available.

Second, you're wrong about the mastery/power kind of stuff. We'll take Yasuo for example. He has the single highest score for "average games of experience when you see this champion." The mean games of experience on Yasuo is over 100. Now, sure, that technically means you may face nine first-time players for every 1000-game main, as is the nature of using mean as the measurement, but this tends to work pretty well overall. Yasuo has on average 100 games under his belt when he gets played. He has a 49% win rate in solo queue. Katarina is 2nd place. She has 53%, the same as Swain. Zyra is #3. She's at 52%.

What this means is that overall, the mastery rate more or less has to be t...

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27 Jan

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Originally posted by Lavoisier21

Absolute joke (in poor taste).

Do you reckon that the fact that he as a sub 1% play rate in solo lanes in every server after the latest mini rework is MAYBE a sign that, despite whatever win rate stats you conjure up, he feels like ass to play?

Getting out shoved by every other champion in the game and having to farm under tower with mage auto attacks is not exactly a fun experience. All that in return for being a mediocre champion mid and late game.

Listen to your playerbase for once. Nobody who played Swain top or mid is satisfied with it, that's why people abandoned him.

By the way, you people always complaing that you can't speak to us without the conversation turning uncivil, yet here you are comparing us to anti-vaxxers because we see fault in your horribly flawed argument.

Then that's a different conversation and one I'm totally down for having. I agree Swain is quite unpopular. That's something worth tackling and should happen.

That is a different discussion from "Swain is [not] strong." And again, the point still stands that he wins. If all he did was last hit pitifully under turret and then become mediocre in mid game he wouldn't win 53% of his games in mid lane.

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Originally posted by Dopp3lg4ng3r

can you not spread lies?

You rely on datas which has less than 1% and even more often than not less than 0.5% (!) playrate and then claim he's strong in there when he's literally having close to no games in these 3 whatsoever:

https://u.gg/lol/champions/swain/build?role=top (0.4% pr with 48% wr)

https://u.gg/lol/champions/swain/build?role=middle (0.8% pr with 52% wr)

https://u.gg/lol/champions/swain/build?role=adc (0.1% pr with 55% wr)

now to diamond :

https://u.gg/lol/champions/swain/build?role=top&rank=diamond_plus (0.3% pr with 53% wr) https://u.gg/lol/champions/swain/build?role=mi...

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https://lolalytics.com/lol/swain/?lane=support also supports u.gg's high winrate claim.

Couple thousand games for each role. Internal data also has his him as a top performer in Mid/Bot. Pickrate is irrelevant. Sample size is what matters. The sample is large enough to be confident in his performance.

Again, see the first comment I made. Just because people think it's true doesn't mean it is true. There's lots of people who think vaccines are a larger risk than measles. Evidence shows us the opposite is true. Don't be one of those people. Swain is a winning champion.

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Originally posted by Crumplesnitches

Why would you consider Swain to be in a balanced state when his Q is so ineffective he's been benched down to tier 3 support?

Because he's actually strong is all three farming lanes.

Just because people think he's a support doesn't mean he is one. Top, Mid, and Bot all have higher win rates.