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Nobody is demanding free things. People are asking for things to be reasonably priced and to not be forced to gamble for skins and if you guys still don't understand that I don't know what else we can say.
In this thread alone, literally multiple people asked for skins to be earnable via challenges, aka free
I don’t mind dishing out money to support the team, I love the product and the work put into it. What bothers me is the price gouging. The extras shouldn’t be free, but it absolutely should not cost $20 per skin. That’s just price gouging. I would probably have spent $150+ bucks at this point if skins were $5-10 a piece. My money is mine to spend on the hobbies I love so I’d like to sink it into this game and support what you guys have created. I just wish the prices made sense at all.
You spend your money however you feel is fair. I don't mind. It's all part of how the economics of a free game is calculated.
With respect to the "price gouging", it also bugs me when people kick and scream that things are too expensive. Let's say the skins are indeed too expensive- does that give people license to kick and scream and call us "greedy f*cks"?
I mean, I think a lot of things are overpriced but I don't yell at people about it.
TLDR: "this thing is too expensive so I won't buy it" is ok "This thing is too expensive so f*ck you greedy f*cks" is not ok
If you think that's even close to representing what the bulk of the community is saying, you're simply not listening or intentionally misrepresenting their position.
I mean, I read all the posts and that stuff was definitely out there. Watch the ign video that was posted a couple of days ago, it specifically says that they wanted to earn cosmetics via challenges. That sentiment was not uncommon.
The thing that makes me angry personally is all the people demanding more free stuff in this free update. Solos is free. The map update is free. The challenges and rewards are free. Asking for more on top of that seems pretty f*cked up.
I read the subreddit a lot. I love seeing people enjoying the game, and I make notes of the things I see such as which parts of the map players like, how they use the character abilities, and any bugs they encounter.
Big thanks to all the players who like the game enough that they're willing to follow and participate in the community :)
I hope all this negativity won't scare players away from sharing their clips and feedback!
Also thanks to the players who say things respectfully, like "I like the skins but they're too expensive for me." It hurts to see things like "Oh.. Well I guess you can also remember when developers werent money grabbing f***s that scammed there players too" .. it's not very nice :(
This isn't a company-approved comment. It's 4am and I've just finished playing way too many rounds of Squad with my mates.
It's just me, Deco, a human who likes making games and is lucky to be at a good company of good humans.
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I think technically I was calling gamers dicks? I dunno. I had a spicy lunch, feelin' it.
So yeah, he did imply that we were ass-hats and saying so otherwise is just you being pedantic and dishonest. However, the second quote is even more abhorrent. He's literally calling gamers dicks and thinks it's funny because it's "spicy". He comes across like a juvenile fool. I'm completely at a loss as to how you can defend this.
EDIT: Also can't forget this one - Hey everyone - fo...
It's not pedantry. If you're an ass to to developers, you're an ass-hat. If not, you're not. It's dishonest to believe any developer would engage a community they thought were all ass-hats.
It's unfortunate Drew had to read and chose to respond to such insanely disrespectful posters. I couldn't say how I'd feel in his position, but I can't defend responding to the hate filled individuals.
I just think it's hilarious that people are still white knighting them.
I bet we'll see a temporary increase of dev comments in non-hate threads like fan art to seem like they care.
Edit: Thanks for
couplemany nasty PM. Sorry for conceptualizing the idea a big company such as Respawn/EA would try use Reddit threads to lighten their reputation during a period where they are taking a lot of flack for their poor pricing ideas and bad responses.Here are some of the other said responses, hence why tension is high https://imgur.com/a/pApjcD9
Edit: I responded to another user who was getting flack about a joke he made and by no means was this a stab directly at the dev but everyone here sees what they want to see. I've "been here long enough to remember when
playersusers weren't complete ass-hats" to opinions and speculations.
Just complemented a nice picture on the internet, no more no less. I thought it was neat so I dropped a like. Simple as that :)
That is an awesome rendition of Wattson. Would love to see Wraith in this style of you ever draw her :)
Really nice job!
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Hi, hey, listen. I get that you don’t know anyone from the studio personally, that we might as well be evil robots or trained murder pigeons or whatever, for all you know. But if your takeaway from the last six months of Apex is “these diabolical lying money geniuses know exactly what they’re doing to surgically extract our soul cash”, then oh buddy.
Personal opinion here, from a grunt in the trenches: the last project this team put out was a $60 box product (that I love!). I assumed we were stuck doing that until the heat death of the universe, but lo’ and behold: Apex. I am super proud of the leadership & business teams for getting us from the “$60 at the door or gtfo nerds” sales model to “$0 to play, no P2W, cosmetics and battlepass keep the lights on”. Obviously we don’t have it all to a science yet, but I got to work on gameplay stuff today that everyone will play for free in X weeks/months and that’s cool.
Anyhow. Drew and Jay are being hone...
Read moreRead moreHe only mentioned that lowering the prices did not increase sales, and if that's the case do you still find it fair for the person that does want to support you guys to need to spend 18 dollars on a cool skin? And it's actually 20 because that's the minimum you can spend to get said Legendary. If I get 3 SKINS for legends, that I can't even see while playing until I win that's basically a new Triple A game - like the next CoD, Cyberpunk 2077, or others.
Fortnite Legendary skins are 20 dollars as well, but it's a 3rd person game - your skin is always visible which is kinda nice. Still too much money, but at least it's somewhat justifiable, and I know that you're not the giant game that is Fortnite but still. I feel like a Legendary skin should be no more than 10 dollars. Epic skins 8 dollars, and anything below 5 dollars. That to me would be fair, as a 19 year old with a part time job that plays your game day in day out whenever I'm not working and earning money that I n...
First of all, thanks so much for playing our game and supporting its community within your means.
There are a lot of disciplines involved in making new cosmetics, and their sales go towards funding a whole lot more needed to run a game the size of Apex and for longer than the 1-year lifecycle of your traditional box product. While we might not be 100% 3rd person, it doesn't mean it gets any easier. Everything 3rd person still needs to exist, and 1st person animations are completely separate from what you see in 3rd. And we have a lot of different character and rigging concerns. That's all on us, but it does mean just as much or more work goes into cosmetic development. We're optimizing and simplifying processes as we go. Hopefully we can prove that with every Seasons' Battlepass and event(s) being better than the previous.
We walk a line between keeping development healthy and the community invested in playing, both long into the future. There needs to be something ...
Read moreThere has been constructive feedback since day 1 of your lootboxes and overpriced skins, you kept them overpriced, and you kept the lootboxes, and we couldn't earn any more of your apex packs even if we got Max level.
You ignored this feedback. You put an underwhelming battle-pass out afterwards, of course you improved VERY MUCH on Season 2 with better rewards, better skins, and a Free hunt mode with grindable FREE skins. Amazing. you were going uphill until now
The feedback has _absolutely_ not been ignored. Drew has already addressed pricing structures and keeping the lights on for Apex development. As well, he addressed us having many different event structures planned and admitted we missed the mark on Iron Crown's structure.
You’re right, but for him to call anyone an asshat for voicing their opinion hurts. Theres no way to not feel lumped in with who he’s calling names, because who he’s calling names are players voicing grievances. I have never attacked a dev but I have had grievances that I’ve wanted heard, does that make me an asshat? No doubt there are asshats in this community(people who attack the developers), but why does wanting the game to be better and communicating with developers put me in the same category as the toxic players he IS referring too.
ps, I really do appreciate all the work you and your team does. I can only imagine how tough todays been, nobody deserves the kind of ridicule you guys get. I wish everyone would try a little harder to be respectful to each other. Thank you for taking the time to reach out to people despite the hostility.
Developers receive way more than opinions. Much less constructive ones. No one wants their game to be more perfect, have more features and content, etc than developers. Our fans and we would enjoy growing Apex for a long time coming, and that's only going to happen with your input, if we can keep a healthy relationship.
Your grievances are our own; having them doesn't make you an ass or toxic. Let's hear them. Constructively.
Dko5 literally said he recalled a moment in gaming history where the consumers weren't "asshats" and something something mob, something something how high.
So are we going to address reality? Or continue to indulge the fantasy world where 20 bucks for a skin, 200 for an event is the norm, and event boxes cost nearly the full amount of a season pass? You've got to understand where the people's discontent lies man. Not cool. And calling people names and grouping the community in such a way mischaracterizes the reason a lot of us are upset.
"You guys [...] call people asshats for not liking the model." I'm not sure we can fairly discuss anything with such hyperbole.
This is unprofessional. Whether or not it was directed at an individual or a group is not the question. You guys are gouging players on cosmetics and content and call people asshats for not liking the model. f**k sake man
Again, no one did what you claim.
Read through again, my mistake there, assumed you were talking about the " It was nice when people weren't asshats to developers" part.
Editing the original post to not be misleading, my bad.
The point was that by responding to backlash by calling (not all, again, my bad) the community ass hats isn't good damage control, it feels like getting kicked then spat on for asking why
No worries, but Drew's comment is not limited to Apex or Respawn or Reddit. There is a lot of nastiness towards game developers. Often really acrimonious stuff. It wasn't always this way, and communities use to shun it. That's what Drew is harkening back to.
Indeed, we can do better on both sides.
I didn't say he called "all the community" asshats.
Also here's the source; https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/crcrxy/an_update_on_the_iron_crown_event/ex3xdif/?context=3
If you don't want to read then I'll post a direct quote underneath; "I've been in the industry long enough to remember when players weren't complete ass-hats to developers and it was pretty neat."
You did; what?
I know what he said, but you said, again, "holy f*ck they're out of touch by calling all the community asshats".
I understand when they're frustrated about some of the community being outright cunts and attacking them personally, but holy f**k they're out of touch by calling the community asshats because people are outraged about extortionate prices for items that have 0 meaning.
There was that one comment about "It was nice when people weren't asshats to developers" well shit, it was nice when developers created games that made us feel engaged, not just to give them more and more and more and more money.
F2p game needs to make money yes, but this shit? This aint it chief. No one was mad when you had 2 battle passes, premium currency and loot boxes but now jacking all those up a tier is f**king abysmal man.
Edit; hyperbolic misleading removal of "all community" in reference to the asshats part
No one called "all the community asshats."
For future collection events, we will provide more ways to obtain items than just buying Apex Packs.
hows about allowing us to earn more stuff from just playing? wild hunt was perfect you could earn a few things from playing and buy stuff if you wished. why did the devs even for a second think switching it up from the event most agreed was a well done event in the first place? if it wasnt broke why fix it?
The amount of free stuff in Iron Crown was very close to Legendary Hunt, and in some cases more, depending on how you personally value items.
In Legendary Hunt, you could earn a badge, a rare weapon skin, an epic character skin and a legendary weapon skin.
In Iron Crown, you can earn a badge, enough Crowns to get 2 rares or 1 epic, and then 2 packs which, on average, give you 1 epic and 1 legendary.
However, my takeaway is that players would probably prefer getting specific items that signify achievement during the event. So in the next Collection Event, we will very likely go back to giving away specific known items.
Completely abhor this meager attempt to walk back the backlash. And then the immature “well you wonder why we don’t talk to the community more..?” Talking about how your playerbase is full of “asshats” and “dicks”.....in your apology post..... not a good look at all.
What a surprise, people reject money hungry tactics and tend to respond angrily...... not gonna garner any sympathy from me, nor any playing time, and SURELY no more money. Bought battlepasses 1 and 2, nothing ever ever again.
Add that to your statistics showing “great player involvement” from this mockery of an event.... 👋🏻
So it's fine for you all to call us liars, full of sh*t, and other personal attacks when we communicate an apology and update to the event but we're "immature" when we call people out on it. Got it.